Re: Ibidem: TV documentary

[Steven Uran <uran>]

David,

Many thanks for taking the trouble to help.

I did consider the film template and perhaps you are right and I shall have 
to return to it, adopting your helpful changes.

Perhaps I'm wrong (I don't have the Chicago Manual of Style at hand), but I 
felt somehow that the elements should be something like this:
title of the episode, ?Palestine 1946: l?Angleterre prise au piege" in 
inverted commas (hence Short title field)
main title of the series _Histoire parallèle_ italicized (put in the 
Anthology field, though perhaps it could be the equivalent of a general 
series of books I thought)
Also, I thought that _Histoire parallèle_ could do with a descriptor: 
"Documentary series" (or similar).  But the Series field has no 
descriptor  (so this led to more hesitation and fiddling...)
I also played with adding the descriptor <episode no. 339> without being 
entirely sure that 'episode' is the most felicitous choice of term for it.
Cheysson, Claude was put in the Short title contributor field: using the 
<discussant> role.  I also played with <commentary by>, but your <guest 
commentator> is perhaps best.
Arte (the name of the Franco-German TV station) went into the publisher 
field (though in formatting this did not seem quite right.
And I found no way to get the style to use the full date of the broadcast: 
3 February 1996.

By the time of my posting to the list, my fiddling with the record was left 
at this (using the Chicago Manual):

In-Text Marc Ferro, narr., ?Palestine 1946: l?Angleterre prise au piege / 
Palästina 1946: England in der Klemme,? commentary by Marc Ferro and Claude 
Cheysson, in Histoire parallèle / Die Woche vor 50 Jahren, Documentary 
series (Arte, 1996),##.
Reference       Ferro, Marc, narrator. ?Palestine 1946: l?Angleterre prise 
au piege / Palästina 1946: England in der Klemme.? Commentary by Marc 
Ferro, and Claude Cheysson. In Histoire parallèle / Die Woche vor 50 
Jahren. Documentary series. Arte, 1996.

I would be grateful for your comments and quite happy for a push to end the 
niggling doubts and hesitation.

Again, all my thanks for your kind suggestions,
Steve

At 01:12 AM 8/13/2004, you wrote:
> a few queries: I assume you've tried using the 'film' template and that 
> you're using the preview panel?; which citation style are you using (and 
> how much choice in the matter do you have)?; what precisely have you found 
> to be unsatisfactory?
>
> Using the 'film' template, and with the 'in-text style set' to Chicago 
> Manual of Style short form and the 'reference-list style' set to Chicago 
> Manual of Style footnote/endnote, I achieved the following:
>
> in-text = Ferro 3 February 1996, ###
> ref-list = Marc Ferro, narr., _Palestine 1946 l?Angleterre Prise au 
> Piege_, episode no. 339, with Claude Cheysson, Histoire Parallèle (1996, 3 
> February)
>
> (I also tried one or two other formats, such as _American Anthropologist_ 
> and _Journal of Popular Culture_, just to see how they handled the 
> relationship between episode title and series name.)
>
> The positioning of information in fields was as follows:
>
> Director/Producer <role> = Ferro, Marc <narrator> (assuming he's also the 
> director, one could use <dir> after <narrator>, but the various citation 
> styles will only pick up the former, whereas if you edit the 
> angle-bracketed items so that you have <narrator & dir> both will be 
> picked up; the rule of thumb, when it comes to adding items not included 
> in Ibidem's ready-made drop-down lists, is to base your categories on the 
> abbreviations used in such list, so as to allow Ibidem's autoformatting to 
> proceed with minimal disruption [see also below, under Cast])
>
> Year = 3 February 1996
>
> Title = Palestine 1946 l'Angleterre prise au piege
>
> Desc = episode no. 339 (note that 'episode' seems not to be available in 
> the drop-down list, so I've simply used one of the 'x no. _' items from 
> the list and substituted the word 'episode', taking my cue from the 
> information you supplied)
>
> Cast = Cheysson, Claude <discussant> (note that I've used 'discussant' 
> from the drop-down list, as it seemed appropriate, but I could have used 
> your description, in lower case and within angle-brackets, thus: <guest 
> commentator> and the citation style would have picked that up instead)
>
> Series = Histoire parallèle (if one wanted to emphasise the series title 
> over the episode title, one might choose to place this as the first 
> element of the 'Title' field instead, followed by either a full stop, a 
> dash or a colon to separate it from the episode title)
>
> I hope this is of some assistance.
>
>
>
> Steven Uran wrote:
>
> > I would be grateful for suggestions with another Ibidem brainteaser: How 
> > best to distribute the elements concerning a broadcast in a TV 
> > documentary series among the Ibidem fields.
> >
> > The title of the documentary series: Histoire parallèle
> > Presented (and no doubt directed by): Marc Ferro
> > Title of the broadcast: Palestine 1946 l'Angleterre prise au piege
> > Guest commentator: Claude Cheysson
> > Broadcast/episode #339
> > Broadcast date: 3 February 1996
> >
> > I've fiddled with it, trying a number of options, none of which has been 
> > satisfactory.
> > Many thanks,
> > Steve

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