Re: ibidem

["Fred J. Levy" <flevy>]

Mark:

Thanks.

You guessed my intention correctly.  And I DID hope to decouple the
"heading" from Ibidem, as you suggest.  Ideally, what I'd like to do is take
the window at the bottom of the Ibidem screen -- the one that shows what the
citation will look like -- and copy IT to my note file.  This is easy to do
in EndNote (and if one uses EndNote with WInword even the formatting
survives), and I was hoping that it might be as easy in Ibidem.  Apparently
not.  I find myself using EndNote with NBWin -- not impossible, but a bit
awkward -- and I suppose I'll continue to do so, for this reason as well as
EndNote's much better ability to import material.  (BookWhere appears to be
able to handle only books; EndNote can absorb articles too.  Indeed, I've
gotten EndNote to pick up material from the ESTC, and then used the program
to analyze the material, which makes it a research tool as well as a
bibliography program.)

Again, thanks.

Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark D. Szuchman <szuchman>
To: Multiple recipients of list NOTABENE <notabene>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: ibidem


> Fritz,
> Help me understand more clearly your objective: what do you mean by a
> "heading for a page of notes"?  If my guess is right, you want to go to
> create a new document (intended eventually for your notes on a given
> work), go to Ibidem, find the bibliographic work, click on cite, have
> the bibliographic item appear at the start of your document, and then
> sail on to type your notes.
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> This is achievable, but it appears to me to be setting yourself up for
> more trouble down the line of your efforts than it's worth.  First, you
> can list the item as a bibliographic rather than a foot/endnote item
> and get rid of the head word, such as "Bibliography" or "Works Cited."
> That's not a problem: all you do in Ibidem is find your item, cite, set
> new (just for the sake of argument), choose Chicago Manual of Style
> (Bibliographic) -- for this example (I'm a CMS kind of a guy, anyway)
> -- the in the Insert/Edit dialogue click Reference only, then OK.
>
> This will place the title of the work in the CMS bibliographic style A
> (if you chose A rather than B).  In NBW, click the update icon.  The
> text of the bibliographic reference, including the word "Bibliography"
> will be in blue, meaning it's program-entered and not user-modifiable.
> Click on the word Bibliography, click the right mouse, left click on
> the selection Dynamic On/Off. Delete all the characters in the word
> Bibliography.  Right click again, and left click again on Dynamic
> On/Off to make the remaining text blue again.
>
> You can now place your cursor below the reference and type your notes.
> BUT, the key to all automation in NB -- D or W -- is this matter called
> style, which you would have now set for the document and would have to
> change again for the text you will be typing in order to conform to the
> different needs of your layout. Beyond this, the considerable
> complexity involving all the elements of the bibliographic style
> (layout), _preceding_ the relative simplicity of note-taking is an
> inversion of the norm;  i.e., the critical apparatus, including
> foot/endnotes and bibliography as backmatter. Finally, assuming that
> you may well be working in the future with these note files (a
> reasonable assumption) and that, as notes, you will definitely want to
> index them as part of the Orbis apparatus, these syle issues will haunt
> you as you use Orbis for citing into the research or lecture documents
> you will be working on tomorrow, making use of the materials that you
> enter today.
>
> I would prefer to enter the bibliographic item into Ibidem in the
> normal way -- or let Bookwhere 2000 do it for me, plus my own keywords
> drawn from my own authority list.  I would then create a document for
> my notes and the heading would be the result of my copying and pasting
> from Ibidem to my new document.  This can be done in seconds,
> italicizing, underlining, or placing quotation marks -- as needed -- is
> a matter of seconds. I would type (or dictate) my notes. I would save
> the file with an extension that will be automatically indexed next time
> I call on Orbis and voila! no Ibidem ghosts or stylistc albatrosses to
> haunt me in the future.
>
> I confess that my motivation in much of this activity is loosely
> borrowed from the 1920s New York vaudeville standup comic act, the
> punch line of which is: "Mister, if it makes you, vhy do you do it."
> Mark
> On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 11:32:50 -0600 (CST), Fred J. Levy wrote:
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> >Colleagues:
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> >I've been trying to use ibidem to generate a "heading" for a page of
notes.
> >The idea is to enter the bibliographical information once, in ibidem, and
> >then use that program to produce the title for my reading notes.  All
I've
> >been able to accomplish thus far is to get a footnote (complete with
number)
> >or a bibliographical item (complete with heading, "Bibliography").  Is
there
> >any way to do this without the trappings?  It would save time, and act as
a
> >useful check on my entry of the information into Ibidem.
> >
> >Thanks.
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> >Fritz
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